The Grand Council Revival

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Re: The Grand Council Revival

Post by Maloo Oture » Sun Nov 21, 2010 1:42 pm

"Ambassador Fwarrin, I accept your council. I understand your concern. We will not at this time converse with the Druuge."

"All delegates, My people are still in danger by these beings and we do not feel as though we can live together peacefully. What should be done about this?"

"Ambassador Litwin, thank you for clarifying your stance with the internet. We will not attempt to gain access."

"I would like the council to know that there is no need to worry about my people entering other systems unless the council requires it. My people are very attached to Home. We are very reluctant to leave."

"The following is a report from Home:

Ahnd, this is Home task force beta-omega. We have set up cities in all areas tht were previously densely populated. Home is almost back on track. We have begun the creation of our Ark class starships. We are sending them to a secure location to await further instruction from the council. Please inform the other members that these are not military ships. They do, however, have a great carrying capacity.
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"I believe the contributions that ambassador Litwin spoke of are now ready to be made by the Burvixese."

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Re: The Grand Council Revival

Post by Lukipela » Mon Nov 22, 2010 5:35 pm

This is being giving headache and stupid guards is being confiscating happy drugs. Old rockambassador, you are having a point. We are suggesting a treaty of not running big armed starships through our sphere and then being complaining like crybabies when are being consequences. Serious Umgah on homeworld is being at work on draft for anyone not too fond of metal rocks.

Turtle man, we can possibly be selling protection that turns Druuge into turtle men after exposure. Is being quite confusing for them to attack when looking like you, no? and good joke as well! HAR HAR HAR!

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Re: The Grand Council Revival

Post by Draxas » Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:16 pm

AMBASSADOR AHND: THE ENTIRE PURPOSE OF THE NEW ALLIANCE OF FREE STARS IS THE MUTUAL DEFENSE AND IMPROVEMENT OF THE SOCIETY OF ALL MEMBER RACES. AS SUCH, YOU MAY REST ASSURED THAT IN THE EVENT THAT YOU COME UNDER ATTACK BY THE DRUUGE OR ANY OTHER HOSTILE FORCE, THE OTHER MEMBERS WILL SEND MILITARY ASSISTANCE AS QUICKLY AS THEY ARE ABLE. THE NEAREST MEMBER RACE TO THE LOCATION OF HOME IS THE UTWIG, WHO YOU ARE ALREADY FAMILIAR WITH, SO THEY ARE THE MOST LIKELY TO RESPOND IN A TIMELY FASHION. IN ADDITION, SEVERAL OF THE NEW ALLIANCE RACES ARE INVOLVED IN THE CONFLICT WITH THE UR-QUAN, AND THEIR FLEETS ARE LOCATED COREWARD FROM GROOMBRIDGE. IN NECESSARY, SOME OF THOSE FORCES COULD ALSO BE DIVERTED TO ASSIST HOME IN THE EVENT OF AN ATTACK. ADDITIONALLY, WE WISH TO MAKE CLEAR THAT THERE IS, IN FACT, NO SINGLE LEADER OF THE GRAND COUNCIL NOR THE NEW ALLIANCE OF FREE STARS. BOTH ARE GATHERINGS OF EQUALS, WHERE ALL HAVE A VOICE. LASTLY, WE ALSO WISH TO ADD OUR VOICE TO THOSE COUNSELING YOU AGAINST DEALING WITH THE DRUUGE. ALL THAT WE KNOW OF THEM INDICATES THAT THEY ARE UNTRUSTWORTHY IN THE EXTREME AND CARE ONLY FOR THEIR OWN ADVANCEMENT, AND VERY LIKELY WOULD REACT QUITE POORLY TO YOUR SUGGESTION THAT THEY HAVE WRONGED YOU AND YOUR RACE. THE DRUUGE HAVE ALSO BEEN KNOWN TO ATTACK UNARMED VESSELS WITHOUT PROVOCATION, SO WE URGE YOU TO RECONSIDER OPENING COMMUNICATIONS WITH THEM WITHOUT A COMBAT READY FLEET; NEW ALLIANCE FORCES WILL RUSH TO YOUR AID IN THE EVENT OF AN ATTACK, BUT STILL MUST TRAVEL SOME DISTANCE TO REACH HOME.

AMBASSADOR TZERK-TZAK-TZIK: THE NEW ALLIANCE OF FREE STARS CHARTER WAS SENT TO YOUR LEADERS, NOT TO YOU PERSONALLY. IF YOU ARE SAYING THAT IT WAS NOR RECEIVED BY THEM, WE WILL BE HAPPY TO RETRANSMIT. HOWEVER, WE ARE NOTICING THAT YOU SEEM TO HAVE DEVELOPED AN INCREASINGLY HOSTILE ATTITUDE TOWARD THE NEW ALLIANCE, AND OURSELVES IN PARTICULAR. SHOULD YOU WISH TO WITHDRAW YOUR REQUEST FOR MEMBERSHIP, WE WILL UNDERSTAND AND ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR DESIRE, BUT WE WISH TO KNOW THE SOURCE OF THIS ANIMOSITY.

AMBASSADOR RTL-79: WE APPRECIATE YOUR OFFER OF ASSISTANCE, AS ACCESS TO QUASISPACE WOULD ALLOW OUR ASSISTANCE TO REACH THE BURVIXESE IN A MUCH MORE EXPEDIENT FASHION. ADDITIONALLY, WE ARE APPRECIATIVE OF ANY RESEARCH ASSISTANCE YOU ARE WILLING TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE CREATION OF A QUASISPACE PORTAL SPAWNER. HOWEVER, WE WISH TO BE CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD. WE DO NOT RECALL DISCUSSING OUR ASSISTANCE IN YOUR RECOLONIZATION EFFORTS, LET ALONE AGREEING TO ASSIST WITH THEM, AS WE CONSIDER ETA VULPECULAE TO BE A PART OF ORZ TERRITORY. ADDITIONALLY, WE WISH TO ATTEMPT TO REPLICATE THE QUASISPACE PORTAL SPAWNER, NOT SIMPLY ADOPT THE QUASIDRIVE THAT YOUR SCIENTISTS HAVE DEVELOPED, AS WE UNDERSTANDABLY WISH TO AVOID THE EXTRADIMENSIONAL ATTENTION THAT YOUR RACE HAS ATTRACTED IN THE PAST AND FEEL THAT A FRESH APPROACH MAY BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THIS WHILE STILL ALLOWING ACCESS TO QUASISPACE ON DEMAND. WE HOPE THAT WE HAVE NOT OFFENDED, AND IF YOU WISH TO CONTINUE DISCUSSING SCIENTIFIC OR TRAVEL ASSISTANCE, PLEASE CONTACT US ON A SECURED CHANNEL.

ARILOU DELEGATE: WHILE WE ACCEPT THAT YOUR RACE HAS INHABITED QUASISPACE FOR MUCH LONGER THAN ANY OF OUR RACES HAVE BEEN AWARE OF IT, THAT DOES NOT MAKE AN ENTIRE DIMENSION YOUR SOVEREIGN TERRITORY. THIS IS MUCH LIKE ANY RACE WITH ACCESS TO HYPERSPACE CLAIMING IT AS THEIR EXCLUSIVE DOMAIN AND ATTEMPTING TO LIMIT OTHER RACES ABILITY TO TRAVEL THROUGH IT, AND WE CANNOT ACCEPT THAT. WHILE WE DO NOT WISH FOR WAR WITH YOUR RACE, YOU STAUNCHLY REFUSE TO PROVIDE EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS THAT QUASISPACE IS DANGEROUS BEYOND SIMPLE HEARSAY, AND WE WILL NOT ALLOW THIS TO DISSUADE US FROM DEVELOPING AND UTILIZING A TECHNOLOGY THAT COULD HAVE INNUMERABLE BENEFITS TO ALL RACES. AS SUCH, SHOULD WE DEVELOP QUASISPACE PORTAL SPAWNER TECHNOLOGY, WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GUARANTEE THAT YOUR TRAFFIC LIMITS WILL BE OBSERVED. WE HOPE YOU WILL RECONSIDER YOUR STANCE ON THIS BEING SO GRAVE AN OFFENSE AS TO WARRANT BEGINNING YET ANOTHER WAR IN OUR ALREADY BATTERED SECTOR.

AMBASSADOR FLUBBO: WHILE WE CANNOT CONDONE THE IDEA OF STARTING ANOTHER ALLIANCE IN THE SECTOR, WE WILL NOT STOP YOU AS IT IS YOUR RIGHT TO DO SO IF YOU DESIRE. ADDITIONALLY, WE WOULD LIKE TO REMIND YOU THAT, WHILE THE VINDICATOR DID INDEED ENTER UMGAH SPACE WITHOUT PERMISSION, IT WAS AT THE BEHEST OF THE ARILOU, A RACE YOU ARE OSTENSIBLY ON FRIENDLY TERMS WITH. WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO REMIND YOU THAT IT WAS ONLY THANKS TO THESE ACTIONS THAT YOUR RACE WAS LIBERATED FROM THE PSIONIC DOMINANCE OF THE DNYARRI. YOU REPAID CAPTAIN ZELNICK BY ATTEMPTING TO DESTROY THE VINDICATOR REPEATEDLY, EVEN AS HE ATTEMPTED TO NEGOTIATE A TRUCE, SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU FOUND IT AMUSING. NOT ONCE DID THE UMGAH MENTION THE UR-QUAN AS A REASON FOR THEIR ATTACKS DURING THIS TIME. PERHAPS NOW YOU MIGHT UNDERSTAND WHY WE CONSIDER YOUR ACTIONS HOSTILE.

AMBASSADOR VIK: WE WILL RESPECT THE VUX WISH FOR SECLUSION. HOPEFULLY, IN TIME, YOU WILL BE MORE WILLING TO ENTER INTO MORE FRUITFUL DISCUSSIONS WITH THE REST OF THE RACES IN THE SECTOR, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO FUTURE DISCUSSIONS.

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Re: The Grand Council Revival

Post by chenjesuwizard » Mon Nov 22, 2010 8:15 pm

Chmmr, we now understand the full extent of the Alliance and still wish to join the alliance. We are sorry we have seemed hostile, so much has changed and we have not fully come to terms with all this.

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Re: The Grand Council Revival

Post by oldlaptop » Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:12 am

The Arilou delegates begin to seem... tired somehow. The telepathic voice speaks once more:

"Chmmr delegate, we grow tired of telling you the same things over and over again. You have no knowledge of QuasiSpace. You do not know that it is safe. We can say with certainly that it is not safe, that creatures exist there that would like nothing more than to destroy all who live in TrueSpace for their own enjoyment. And yet you insist that you can not see these things, that our words are meaningless. Why do you think you know better than those who have not only seen these things, but have desperately fought against them for their very survival? You question our right to meter access to QuasiSpace. We shall answer this with another question: What gives you the right to access QuasiSpace at all? What gives you the right to put the lives of every sentient being in this universe in jeopardy simply for the ability to travel faster? We cannot allow you, or anyone else, to do such an awful thing, not at any cost."
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Re: The Grand Council Revival

Post by Alvarin » Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:57 am

Arilou, you said numerous times, that not knowing about the inhabitants of the Quasi-space is best protection for everyone involved. I assume that mental activity is therefore the source of the danger of detection. Would it still be dangerous if the ship was on autopilot and the entire crew in hibernation?
Chmmr, you have mocked our belief in the Ultimate Evil, as irrelevant, but you also actively ignore all the actual dangers of the IDF research, as presented by Arilou and Androsynth. You are good with calculations, see if the potential gain in using the Quasispace, with the additional energy costst involved are worth the (let's use your view of things) potential danger for all life in True-space?
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Re: The Grand Council Revival

Post by Draxas » Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:18 pm

VERY WELL, LET US PERFORM SOME CALCULATIONS.

IN ORDER FOR US TO REINFORCE THE COREWARD FRONT WITH ADDITIONAL AVATARS, THEY MUST CURRENTLY SPEND SEVERAL MONTHS IN TRANSIT. AT OUR CURRENT RATE OF ATTRITION, THE JOINT FLEET WILL BEGIN LOSING GROUND AGAINST THE UR-QUAN IN LESS THAN ONE MONTH. DESPITE THE LOSS OF THE SA-MATRA, THE UR-QUAN CONTINUE TO REMAIN AN EXISTENTIAL THREAT TO THIS ENTIRE SECTOR, AND THE REMAINDER OF THE GALAXY AT LARGE. SINCE THE TWO UR-QUAN SUBSPECIES HAVE BEGUN WORKING TOGETHER TO ATTEMPT TO REENTER THE SECTOR, OUR LOSSES HAVE INCREASED TO SEVERAL TIMES THE LEVEL WHEN THE UR-QUAN WERE STILL DISORGANIZED. WE ESTIMATE THAT, IF CURRENT TRENDS CONTINUE, THE UR-QUAN WILL HAVE PUSHED OUR FORCES BACK TO GROOMBRIDGE IN UNDER SIX MONTHS. ONCE THEY HAVE RETURNED TO THE SECTOR, THE UR-QUAN WILL UNDOUBTEDLY BEGIN PURSUING THEIR RESPECTIVE DOCTRINES ONCE AGAIN AGAINST THE MOST LIGHTLY DEFENDED TARGETS THEY CAN FIND. WHILE WE FEEL THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO STALEMATE THEM ONCE MORE ONCE THEY ARE IN THE SECTOR, THE LOSSES ASSOCIATED WITH SUCH A CONFLICT ARE SOMETHING WE DEEM UNACCEPTABLE. SHOULD SOMETHING UNEXPECTED TURN IN THE UR-QUANS' FAVOR, THEY MAY EVEN BE ABLE TO SUBJUGATE OR EXTERMINATE THE SENTIENTS IN OUR SECTOR BEFORE WE ARE AWARE OF THE INCREASED DANGER. REGARDLESS, WE ESTIMATE THAT THE UR-QUAN ADVANCE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO BE HALTED BEFORE THEY OVERTAKE THE UTWIG, SUPOX, ZOQ-FOT-PIK, BURVIXESE, DRUUGE, AND POSSIBLY THE FORMER THRADDASH STARS, SLYLANDRO, SYREEN, UMGAH, AND MYCON. THEY ALMOST CERTAINLY WILL BE ABLE TO ESTABLISH A PERMANENT BASE OF OPERATIONS IN THE CRATERIS STARS ONCE MORE.

COMPARE THIS TO THE VAGUE WARNINGS OF POTENTIAL DOOM THAT USE OF QUASISPACE SUPPOSEDLY WILL BRING ABOUT. CONSIDER THAT THE MANY RECORDED USES OF QUASISPACE BY THE VINDICATOR RESULTED IN NO DANGER, NOR EVEN ANY SENSE OF DANGER. WE ARE BOMBARDED WITH GRAVE PRONOUNCEMENTS THAT ARE ENTIRELY VOID OF PROOF, OF SOME EXTRADIMENSIONAL BOOGEYMEN THAT WISH TO DEVOUR US ALL. WE COMPARE THIS TO THE VERY REAL, VERY TANGIBLE, AND VERY DEADLY THREAT OF THE UR-QUAN, AND WE FIND THE ARILOUS' CLAIMS TO BE WANTING.

ARILOU DELEGATE, YOU ASK WHAT RIGHT WE HAVE TO ACCESS QUASISPACE. WE COUNTER WITH THE QUESTION OF WHAT RIGHT YOU THEN HAVE TO ACCESS HYPERSPACE, IF YOU WISH TO BE SO PETTY. YOU CANNOT REASONABLY EXPECT US TO RESPECT YOUR PRONOUNCEMENT THAT AN ENTIRE PLANE OF REALITY IS YOUR EXCLUSIVE DOMAIN. IF USE OF QUASISPACE PORTAL SPAWNER TECHNOLOGY IS SUCH A DIRE THREAT TO THE SAFETY OF THE GALAXY, THEN SURELY YOUR RACE WOULD BE LOATH TO USE IT THEMSELVES. INSTEAD, YOU USE IT TO MAKE OTHER SENTIENTS YOUR PLAYTHINGS. WHILE AMBASSADOR LITWIN HAS NOT RAISED THE ISSUE, WE CAN SENSE HIS DISTRUST OF YOU. WE KNOW OF THE INFORMATION YOU SHARED WITH CAPTAIN ZELNICK, AND HOW YOU HAVE BEEN SECRETLY MODIFYING THE HUMAN RACE FOR MILLENNIA. WE DEMAND TO KNOW WHAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO UTILIZE QUASISPACE TRANSPORT IN THIS MANNER, OR THE RIGHT TO ALTER THE HUMAN RACE WITHOUT THEIR KNOWLEDGE OR CONSENT.

AMBASSADOR FWARRIN, YOU ARE ENTITLED TO YOUR BELIEFS ABOUT THE ULTIMATE EVIL OR ANYTHING ELSE YOU CHOOSE. HOWEVER, WE REFUSE TO ACCEPT THE CREDIBILITY OF A THREAT WITHOUT SOME PROOF THAT A THREAT EVEN EXISTS. WE ASK YOU TO COMPARE, ONCE AGAIN, THE THREAT OF UNCERTAIN POTENTIAL DANGER OF QUASISPACE, WITH THE VERY REAL THREAT OF EXTERMINATION OF YOUR RACE BY THE KOHR-AH. PLEASE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT EITHER UR-QUAN SUB-RACE COULD SHATTER YOUR SLAVE SHIELD WITH LITTLE EFFORT.

ALL DELEGATES, IT IS NOW CLEAR THAT THE SITUATION ON THE COREWARD FRONT HAS BECOME MORE DESPERATE. WITHOUT ADDITIONAL SUPPORT, THE JOINT FLEET WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PREVENT THE UR-QUAN FROM REENTERING THE SECTOR. WE URGE ALL OF YOU TO PLEDGE WHATEVER SUPPORT YOU CAN TO REINFORCING THE LINES, SO THAT WE MAY STOP THE THREAT OF THE UR-QUAN ONCE AND FOR ALL.

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Re: The Grand Council Revival

Post by Alvarin » Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:48 pm

Ambassador KZZKH, again, Spathiwa shield is not the Slave shield, even though it is based on it. It would take considerable amounts of energy to take it down. As I said before, Kzer-Za would most likely not be able to crack it, Kohr-ah either, if they are just marginally more powerful. Shield matters aside, the Vindicator and Arilou utilized the Quasispace in minimal numbers, you want to drive entire fleets. There is a difference. In addition, you want to develop Quasi-drives under a month? I don't think this is possible even with Androsynth models and research. The field testing alone would take more than that and you will need to manufacture these drives and retrofit your crafts. You will just waste too much time and resources.

Spathi will begin sending ships to aid the fight. The Eluder is quite capable vessel against the Kzer-Za and simulations show it can fare against Kohr-Ah, though not as well. There wouldn't be much ships to start with. Perhaps, with victories, the numbers will grow. Defeats, however, might make Safe Ones reconsider.
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Re: The Grand Council Revival

Post by Draxas » Tue Nov 23, 2010 5:21 pm

WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT, AMBASSADOR FWARRIN, AND THE SUPPORT OF THE ENTIRE SPATHI RACE IN THIS CONFLICT. WHILE WE DO NOT EXPECT TO DEVELOP A WORKING QUASISPACE PORTAL SPAWNER ALONE WITHIN THE MONTH, WE BELIEVE THAT WITH THE COOPERATION OF SCIENTISTS OF MANY RACES ON THIS PROJECT, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE WORKING UNITS BEFORE THE UR-QUAN OVERRUN THE SECTOR ONCE MORE, ALLOWING US TO CONFRONT THEIR FORCES WITHOUT HAVING TO REINFORCE PIECEMEAL AS WE ARE CURRENTLY DOING. OF COURSE, ACCESS TO THE NATURALLY OCCURRING PORTAL AND QUASISPACE ITSELF COULD SIGNIFICANTLY SPEED THIS RESEARCH, BUT WE SUSPECT THE ARILOU WILL NOT BUDGE ON THEIR STANCE IN THIS MATTER. ADDITIONALLY, PLEASE BE AWARE THAT AN AVATAR WILL BE APPROACHING YOUR TEST SHIELD SITE WITHIN A FEW DAYS. WE WILL NOTIFY YOU WHEN WE ARE READY TO BEGIN FAILURE TESTING.

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Re: The Grand Council Revival

Post by chenjesuwizard » Tue Nov 23, 2010 5:28 pm

I put forward the suggestion of a vote on whether or not we will use Quasi-Space travel, once all ides have put forward their points.

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