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Re: The YouTube Thread

Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 8:28 pm
by Dragon
glory_device wrote:Cookies for the one who figure it out!
The old dude at 0:52 :P-smf. Also, thinking of cookies and Zarnium's sesame street vid. Remember this guy?



'Course you remember The Count. But now - where I work - whenever someone says a low number everyone laughs like the count. It can make for some slow conversations.

Re: The YouTube Thread

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:08 pm
by RTyp06
Thought provoking.


btw, does anyone know why some YouTube URLs do not work inside the tags here?

Edited; gracious senior'.

Re: The YouTube Thread

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:39 pm
by Alvarin
Because of httpS. Make it just http and it'll work.

Re: The YouTube Thread

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:07 am
by glory_device
nah dragon...I'm not that old ! :lol:

Re: The YouTube Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 4:08 am
by RTyp06
Nuclear detonations throughout history. Eerie but fascinating.

Re: The YouTube Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:27 am
by ThriveDev
RTyp06 wrote:Nuclear detonations throughout history. Eerie but fascinating.
Interesting. The music of death :P

Re: The YouTube Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 4:06 pm
by Death 999
Aside from the second and third of them, mostly potential death rather than actual death.

Mostly.

Re: The YouTube Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:17 pm
by RTyp06
If I remember correctly, Hiroshima had an estimated 50k killed instantly and Nagasaki was another 20k. And that's not considering the thousands of Japanese that suffered and died in the months and years following the attacks. Such instantaneous loss of life is hard to envision and the bombings hard to justify given the state of Japan at that point of the war.

Re: The YouTube Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:24 pm
by oldlaptop
RTyp06 wrote:If I remember correctly, Hiroshima had an estimated 50k killed instantly and Nagasaki was another 20k. And that's not considering the thousands of Japanese that suffered and died in the months and years following the attacks. Such instantaneous loss of life is hard to envision and the bombings hard to justify given the state of Japan at that point of the war.
I wouldn't discount other historical possibilities so easily. An amphibious invasion of Japan (the most likely outcome without a prior surrender) would have been one of the bloodiest military operations in history, with total casualties on all sides likely to reach into the *millions*.

Re: The YouTube Thread

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:21 am
by RTyp06
oldlaptop wrote:
RTyp06 wrote:If I remember correctly, Hiroshima had an estimated 50k killed instantly and Nagasaki was another 20k. And that's not considering the thousands of Japanese that suffered and died in the months and years following the attacks. Such instantaneous loss of life is hard to envision and the bombings hard to justify given the state of Japan at that point of the war.
I wouldn't discount other historical possibilities so easily. An amphibious invasion of Japan (the most likely outcome without a prior surrender) would have been one of the bloodiest military operations in history, with total casualties on all sides likely to reach into the *millions*.
Indeed, I am not discounting the defenders of the American decision to drop the bombs. The decision remains controversial, even today. I have heard the argument that the bombs ultimately saved many more lives than they took and knew about the planned invasion of the Japanese mainland. However the critics have some good arguments as well and in my view have the better position, even if only slightly so.

Japan was weeks away from surrender already and their ability to wage war was decimated before the bombs were even dropped. The constant conventional fire bombing of Japanese cities and infrastructure by allied forces coupled with Russia sweeping Japanese forces out of occupied China were enough to guarantee surrender in many people's view.

America did not want to split up Japan with Russia like what happened in Germany and wanted to facilitate a timely, unconditional surrender. Thus the decision has a political element that cannot be ignored. We simply couldn't tolerate to possibility of Japan surrendering to Russia, especially considering the massive effort American forces put forth in the Pacific theater.

All things considered, I personally don't believe such massive civilian casualties were necessary and surrender was inevitable without a full scale invasion of the Japanese mainland.