Wasabe wrote:Although I wish that the Marines can, if there's more than one, be sung upon and defeate the lone marine.
Welcome to the Star Control Discussion Board, Wasabe! An interesting notion of singing to the Orz Marines, although their actions demonstrate they are already lured to the Syreen ship, except they subtract from the Syreen crew as opposed to adding towards it!
Draxas wrote:It all makes sense within the framework of the game mechanics
Draxas wrote:The Song doesn't work on the last crew member aboard a ship for... reasons.
The game mechanics are sensible, yes, but it made me wonder if there’s a possibility for a “mental workaround”, if you will, so I’m going to throw out some possible theories to explain the inadequacy of the Syreen song vs. fighters and marines:
1. The Ur-Quan are already familiar with the Syreen’s battle tactics from the War, so maybe they have the fighter ships programmed during any battles with the Syreen to fly by itself and fire its weapons whenever in range, so all the fighter really needs is a warm body to sit in the seat. Hmmm… then why not just send endless amounts of unmanned fighters? Ok, maybe that’s not a sufficient answer…
2. Ok, well how about the Orz? Maybe their suits have specialized trans-dimensional material that prevents the hypnotic song from influencing them! Wait, but then why wouldn’t the Orz simply wear their suits at all times? Grrr.
3. Well, so maybe the song does work on the marines, but the Orz suits could be rigged to automatically battle on its own when they board the Penetrator and… oh, yeah… I think we already covered this with the Ur-Quan fighters. Darn.
4. Maybe the song cannot work against single targets, and it can only affect some within a big group (like as in a principle of mass hypnosis or nothing) which would explain why the entire crew (with maybe the exception of smaller crewed ships) doesn’t completely abandon ship, save for the captain. Yeah, another stretch, I know.
5. What if the hypnotic beam can only target a large object and is therefore the beam is sent like a laser, projected onto the targeted ship where it then is dispersed eratically upon the vessel? Wow, I think that almost
makes sense!… yeah, almost.
Quasispatial wrote:Wonder if one could make them launch back out to hunt the Orz source, too... because that would make for a hilarious counter to dem Orz.
I love this idea! It should be put in a mod, plus I think it should include the Syreen captain’s voice shouting the “Go! Go!” command in the Orz’s stead.
Wouldn’t it also be funny for the song to cause the Ur-Quan fighters to dock with the Syreen ship, to which the Syreen captain could deploy with the “Launch fighters!” phrase in a sultry female voice?
Just for grins, I went ahead and reviewed the dialogue I’ve obtained during my talks with Talana, and I even found suitable dialogue for using the “Go! Go!” phrase without the need for voice-overs:
CAPTAIN ZELNICK – “So what happened to you at the end of the war?”
COMMANDER TALANA – “When we first met your people, we’d been wandering through the stars for almost seventy-five years, ever since the death of Syra… our home planet. We joined your Alliance, and I use the word ‘joined’ loosely, because we had no other choice. The VUX were raiding our slow Habitat columns, and we had nowhere else to go. We fought for survival, Captain. Nothing more. When your people on Earth were defeated, the Alliance just plain fell apart. The Yehat and Shofixti retreated to their native stars and didn’t want us to follow. The Arilou, those creepy little weasels, just plain bugged out – vanished… leaving us alone, with nowhere to go, smack in the path of the oncoming Ur-Quan Armada. What were we supposed to do? Fight? Two-thirds of our Habitat fleet was unarmed! Many aren’t even super-luminal. We were going to be annihilated if we resisted, and we knew it. When the Ur-Quan surrounded us and started giving orders that all ended with, ‘Or Die!’ we took them at face value. We obeyed. In exchange they gave us Gaia, the planet below. It’s a beautiful world, Captain. I wish I could show it to you. So don’t misunderstand me. We love our freedom as much as anybody else, but we’ve got a good life here, and we don’t want to lose it.”
Unfortunately, I couldn’t find an adequate substitute for the “Launch fighters!” part though, even though Talana does say the word ‘large’, which sounds close to ‘launch’, but she never say ‘fighters’ or anything close.