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Re: Subreddit for Star Control

Post by Angelfish » Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:05 am

Lukipela wrote:
Angelfish wrote:Generally speaking, such sites are not child porn, just a bit suggestive in that direction. Accusing these people of publishing child porn when in fact they were not is very dangerous. You could get sued for that.
Oh dear, I guess Lucas Pela is going to get sued out of oblivion for speaking out of turn on a message board on the internet ;) Also, since Reddit themselves clearly state that their new rule is "No suggestive or sexual content featuring minors". Claiming that child porn isn't when it is is pretty dangerous. You could get arested for that. :D So they were accused of hosting that stuff, they admitted to and folded, and now all that remains is some pretty frightful misogyny.
They were hosting child porn yet no legal action was taken? I find that hard to believe.

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Re: Subreddit for Star Control

Post by Lukipela » Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:00 am

Guess we better tell them to put it back up so that you can inspect it then :) You know, cause if Angelfish refuses to believe it, I'm sure they might even think of reinstating r/jailbait based on that. Who cares if it was shut down due to being called out on US television for hosting this material? Those guys at CNN have probably been sued homeless already! :D

On a more serious note, what you believe doesn't really matter as even the people hosting the stuff apparently realised they had crossed a line and shut it down. Reddit didn't say "Well this isn't CP but we're shutting it down anyway cause of complaints". They said "Well we thought long and hard about which is more important, freedom of speech or not hosting sexual content of minors and we guess we'll grudingly have to stop letting you guys post that stuff".

Honestly, I don't really care much about your opinion, I figured this should be brought up since the seedy underbelly of the site is unknown to many. If you want to argue on whether or not something was there I suggest you go do that on the site itself, they probably have some pretty good discussions going on. And since you know, even they disagree with you ;)

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Re: Subreddit for Star Control

Post by Angelfish » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:44 am

Lukipela wrote: Honestly, I don't really care much about your opinion, I figured this should be brought up since the seedy underbelly of the site is unknown to many.
Yet you conveniently left the reddit statement out of your long post. Apparently you weren't willing to give us a full rundown of the facts, just wanted to smear reddit by calling them out for hosting child porn. Those are serious allegations which I have yet to see proven or backed by anything (ie. legal action being taken??)

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Re: Subreddit for Star Control

Post by Lukipela » Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:41 am

Er, not my long post dude, just copypasta. I didn't link the other part simply because I hadn't seen it until you linked it. The other message I've seen in quite a few streams. But I don't hang at Reddit, so the (welcome) conclusion was new to me.

I don't know if stating facts can really be called smearing either, as your link pretty much confirms mine. My post was the kind saying "Hey guys Reddit is also known for some pretty questionable things, you should check these out and then make your own conclusions". Yours are more on the line of "How dare you slander an internet site, despite them admitting to the fact I demand that you present evidence in the form of illegal materials right here and now or I will consider your "facts" null and void. I won't believe what they wrote on their own front page, I need proof!"

I'm not going to link CP for you, or even go digging for it. Nor do I need to prove anything to you that Reddit themselves have established as fact. Nor do I care about your opinion on the matter except when you accuse me of wildly inaccurate actions. Smear much?

Anyway Gekko, what does one do on Reddit anyway? Is it just a discussion forum or is there something more to it?

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Re: Subreddit for Star Control

Post by Gekko » Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:41 pm

Lukipela wrote: Anyway Gekko, what does one do on Reddit anyway? Is it just a discussion forum or is there something more to it?
Depends where you go. In general: Users submit content, and other users give a "nay" or "aye" for it. Based on this, the highest ranked content is most visible. Same goes for comments: you upvote or downvote comments based on... well, it should be based on their participation in the conversation, insightfulness and reddiquette, but in general it's simply "upvote what's funny" for most of it. The site is split into sub-reddits (or reddits) that specialize in some area. There are thousands of these, and each of them has their own rules and organization.

I in general prefer to frequent places like /r/truereddit (more serious stuff), /r/games (more serious gaming stuff), /r/insert_your_game_name_here_for_a_special_subreddit, /r/programming, /r/learnprogramming and a lot more. Generally, considering that it's among the biggest sites in the world (Alexa rating 119) the content is somewhat good. The entire idea of upvoting good content and downvoting bad content helps to filter some of the crap out, and this works even better on smaller reddits. Here's an interesting debate on Dwarf Fortress which I found this morning while having my morning coffee.

Oh, the thing with upvotes is called earning karma. Some find this as their virtual measurement of manliness and do everything in their power to make others upvote them. This generally causes the discussion to derail from the point, and is called karmawhoring. Simply gotta know where to go. It can be a rough place, and some neighbourhood's can kill you.
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Re: Subreddit for Star Control

Post by Megagun » Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:37 pm

The only stuff you can 'host' on Reddit is textual content and links. No actual images can be uploaded to Reddit at all; they'll have to be hosted on a site like imgur. In a way, Reddit is just like Google; they don't host or own any of the non-textual content but instead just link to it. The User-generated Content aspect of it makes barring illegal content rather difficult, and since Reddit is rather large it's not as if you can easily monitor user submissions manually. Users have to alert moderators when they see something 'wrong', but these flags/alerts are usually forwarded to subreddit moderators rather than the moderators/admins of Reddit itself.

At one point, this potentially illegal stuff was brought to light. I didn't really investigate (for obvious reasons) but as far as I gathered there were a few subreddits dedicated to posting pictures of teenagers in sexually suggestive poses (but no actual nudity). Although any subreddits designed to spread child pornography would get removed quickly and reported to the authorities, those that weren't designed for that and would technically be legal and contain legal content weren't. Eventually, it was decided that even these 'technically legal' subreddits would get banned and removed, because they would be rather risky since they could still be used to lay ties between people that enjoyed 'suggestive content' or actual sexual content involving minors.

TL;DR: the reports about Reddit being a haven for child pornography are massively overstated and probably ill-researched. Essentially, it's just like the Internet: you may find CP if you go look for it, but if you're not looking for it you won't find it.

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Re: Subreddit for Star Control

Post by Lukipela » Wed Mar 07, 2012 6:35 pm

Gekko wrote:Interesting stuff
Cool, thanks. The Karma system was a massive failure when we implemented it here, so I can see how that wouldbe problematic.
Megagun wrote:Users have to alert moderators when they see something 'wrong', but these flags/alerts are usually forwarded to subreddit moderators rather than the moderators/admins of Reddit itself.
And anyone can create subreddits, becoming the moderator/admin. So essentially you're reporting illegal content to someone like violentacrez when you hang on #jailbait. Lovely.
At one point, this potentially illegal stuff was brought to light. I didn't really investigate (for obvious reasons) ...[SNIP]... and probably ill-researched. Essentially, it's just like the Internet: you may find CP if you go look for it, but if you're not looking for it you won't find it.
Yes, something is probably ill-researched here :) Not sure if it's a sterling recommendation for a site that is among the biggest sites in the world that "you may find CP if you go look for it on it" either but I guess that's a fair point since other large and immensely popular sites such as youtube or also pretty bad at removing questionable content. And writing "child porn" into Google takes me directly to child porn sites as well, so I can see how filtering out that type of content might be tricky. Oh wait.

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